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Ben Wallace is a Cavalier

by The Cavalier on February 22, 2008 · 37 comments

We have no time for Photoshop, etc today, but we know you need to read our thoughts on this -

Believe it or not, this actually has me contemplating getting League Pass for the rest of the season.

It’s not Gasol-to-the-Lakers or anything, but look at the dynamics of how LeBron plays, and you have be a little curious.

Drive and dump to Ben…Ben can handle that, and we’re not entirely convinced (although we’re sure we wrote the opposite in the past) that Ben is completely washed up. Remember, he’ll be playing power forward for CLE, which paired with Z, makes them pretty big upfront.

Wally is perfect for LeBron – doesn’t have to handle the ball – just stand out there and shoot it.

Getting rid of Larry Hughes is great for chemistry, and as far as contracts, they’ve added nothing extraordinary in the long term.

We’ve always felt Delonte West was a good PG for a LeBron James, as well.

We’re down with this deal – it’s a risk, but a calculated one.

UPDATE: The infamous Farlane sent us this lil’ thing he made for us, inaccurately depicting what happened when we heard about the trade:

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1 Boney February 22, 2008 at 11:35 am

Good trade for the Cavs:

- Lose defense in the backcourt
- Gain a handful a names to replace their no-names
- Add a year of bad contract (Ben 3 years, trade out Hughes 2 years)
- Add what Luke Jackson strived to be (Wally World)

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Potential for another deep playoff run for the Cavs. As a Celtics fan, I’d be worried. They don’t have the pieces to take advantage of the new look Cavs. As a Pistons’ fan, less worried than I was. Sheed hung 40 on The Corpse earlier this season..

2 Matt February 22, 2008 at 11:51 am

I don’t think it’s a risk at all. If they’re all awful, can they be any worse than Hughes and Gooden? Have we handicapped ourselves at all in the future?

The only opportunity this could cause us to miss is whomever we could have signed with Newble’s money this off-season. Instead, that’s expiring money we defer to next year.

Gilbert spent $20 mil to improve the team across the board.

3 Jordi February 22, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Slideshow Bob and the Ducktail are the new Michael and Scottie.

And if the Cavs were going to trade Drew Gooden, couldn’t they at least traded him to Phoenix to play with D.J. Strawberry? That would make the Mets fan in me laugh.

4 mcbias February 22, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Wallace – Gooden = negative; I was surprised to see that Gooden gets more rebounds/game than Wallace.

But Szerbiak West – Hughes and Co. is a plus. Overall, I’m cautiously optimistic. We gain some defense in Wallace and lose some in Szerbiak, but overall it cancels out.

5 caseta February 22, 2008 at 12:57 pm

that wind you’re feeling is in fact the bulls fans everywhere breathing a huge sigh of relief.
i fear hughes will eat up thabo’s minutes, which would be a pitty, but at least tyrus and noah should finally get some consistent minutes.
in the meanwhile enjoy ben wallace. just don’t forget that in order for him to fake giving a crap about the game, the coach needs to constantly praise him and the GM must massage his balls every other day. and under no circumstances give him less than 35 minutes of entitlement per game.

at least, with the cavs, lebron will probably act like an alpha dog and put ben in his place, but on the bulls there was no one to do that. and when noah tried to, griffin orchestrated the “unanimous vote” to suspend him for an extra game. i look forward to lebron crushing ben wallace’s head. most bulls fans will thank him for that.

6 University of Akron February 22, 2008 at 1:03 pm

“Slideshow Bob and the Ducktail are the new Michael and Scottie.” Did the Cavs trade Vaejao?
I think you mean “Sideshow” and this year Gooden is “The Beard”. I apologize for being petty but your sentence was buggin’ me. Peace

7 University of Akron February 22, 2008 at 1:06 pm

I can’t spell “Varejao” How ironic…

8 Frank February 22, 2008 at 1:20 pm

@Boney
The remaining years on Hughes and Wallace’s contracts are the same. 2 years after this one.

@Matt
We couldn’t have signed anyone with Newble’s expiring money. We would still be over the cap anyway after his contract came off the books.

Caveat: I’m not a cap expert. I know the 101… but here’s some more.

What this does do is fold Marshall, Newble, Brown, and Simmons into one deal expiring next year in Wally Szczerbiak. With Wally/Snow/Jones/Smith all expiring next year, that is about $30 million in expiring contracts, and the hidden genius in this deal. Also first round draft picks can finally be traded again next year. That is a good package to offer and one likely to make the team much stronger. Next year of course, but at the least I think the team will be better this year.

9 The Akronite February 22, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Hughes and Wallaces deals are the exact same length.

10 Ben February 22, 2008 at 1:35 pm

getting rid of Gooden is a positive. He’ll never be a key part of a championship team. He has all the talent in the world (good rebounder, sweet jumper, a nice jump hook) but he drifts in and out of games. Of all the crap players that the Cavs have had with LeBron, Gooden far and away receives the most “Really? You just fucked that up?” stares from James. He doesn’t do help defense, he barely does one-on-one defense and his rebounding comes and goes.

Adding Wallace is a risk, but not a huge one. Worse comes to worse he plays 20 minutes a game as a backup. Sure, he’s overpaid and he can’t shoot, but we won’t have to witness anymore 3-17 nights (bye Larry!)

My only concern is who is going to guard Billups. For all his faults, Hughes defended him pretty well. However, the Cavs should improve against quick guards like Nash, Parker and Tyronn freaking Lue.

Plus, they didn’t trade away any picks (actually picked up a 2009 2nd) and they didn’t add any long term deals. They’ll be able to make a run at Michael Redd next season (or Vinsanity or Brand, etc).

11 University of Akron February 22, 2008 at 2:01 pm

Since they have the real thing the Cavs are auctioning off all their inflatable Ben Wallaces’

12 stopmikelupica February 22, 2008 at 3:04 pm

Wally is a bit of a headcase. So is Ben Wallace. Delonte West is a bit of a loose cannon. I like this trade – now we really get to see what kind of a leader, if any, LeBron is. He won’t be dealing with easy-going types here.

Talentwise, I like the Wally/West backcourt, and Big Ben keeps the Cavs’ focus on defense and rebounding. It’s an improvement on paper; in real life, however…

13 University of Akron February 22, 2008 at 3:21 pm

Hughes’ is a bit of a headcase himself and Gooden is mildly retarded. LeBron kept both of them in line so I don’t think he’ll have any problems with the new guys. They know this is LeBron’s team.

I just hope Wally Z can stay healthy. Also, Delonte West is one weird lookin’ dude.

14 roger February 22, 2008 at 3:27 pm

Cav, you are right and like way smarter than a lot of the national media types who fail to see the way these guys (on paper) complement James better than the outgoing dudes and how it didn’t really affect their roster flexibility/cap space (it’s like 5 minutes of research – such sloth!). And they’re supposed to be watching the games/paying attention/not making a snake movie!

UofA – true. Jones has his problems too. Let’s face it. You’ve got to think/be awesome to be in the NBA.

15 roger February 22, 2008 at 3:28 pm

(that is to say if you’re not awesome, you’ll think you’re awesome anyway and be whiny when you don’t get 40 minutes PT).

16 The Cavalier February 22, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Yeah I saw that and I’ve watched like two games all year!

17 TVBrain February 22, 2008 at 6:01 pm

Hughes (12.0 player efficiency rating) — Szczerbiak (16.0)
Brown (8.5) — West (10.1)
Marshall (8.5) — Wallace (12.1)
Gooden (12.8) — Smith (17.4)

18 buu February 22, 2008 at 8:12 pm

please google “delonte west dream date”.

19 Matt February 22, 2008 at 10:56 pm

That game had to push you over the edge for League Pass. The team actually played with heart! Without Hughes and Gooden, the team can win on desire. Maybe having Lebron helps too.

20 Reggin February 23, 2008 at 12:47 am

Thunderbird is the shit.

21 You Stole My Cheetos 2Pac!!! February 23, 2008 at 1:17 am

You said it my negro

22 Frank February 23, 2008 at 4:34 am

If you still aren’t watching you are missing out. They are more fun this year than any NBA watching I’ve done, and they have half the team hurt most of the time.
They are what you want, gutsy and tough and they want it. Make some excuse for last year and suck it up, Cav. Now is the time. Today is the day. Whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Now go get the tough going.

23 Boney February 23, 2008 at 12:23 pm

ummm… the writer’s strike is over yet, no WSM? We have been bamboozled….

24 Guzzler February 23, 2008 at 2:08 pm

Why the shit does everyone love Gooden? he sucked. He would be good for 2 games, then disappear for 5. Skill wise, he could be a top 5 talent in the NBA. As for intelligence, he ranks below the mendoza line.

25 The SP February 23, 2008 at 2:26 pm

I think Sacramento lost in that deal they made with the Hawks. the Cavs could’ve given them Gooden and they decide to take Shelden Williams and some expiring contracts. i can understand rebuilding but damn.
Hey Cav have Big Ben t-shirt sales gone up?

26 farlane February 24, 2008 at 12:19 pm

Awesome, I’m infamous. It’s like famous, only not.

I’d feel a bit better if the Pistons got beat by this Cavs team. Not much, but a bit.

And are you telling me your head didn’t explode a LITTLE when you heard Big Ben was a Cav?

27 Boney February 24, 2008 at 9:53 pm

we can only hope that farlane continues to bring his wit and humor to this site… his comments have been too few and far between.

28 Akron/Canton Airport February 25, 2008 at 2:58 am

I wish Boney’s comments were few and far between…

29 madmax February 25, 2008 at 8:11 am

Well my opiion is that the cavs got one heck of a deal here. With King James, Big Ben and Z in the lineup I think that this is going to be an unstoppable trio. Then you add West and Szerbiak in there and this is going to be an unstoppable force!

30 Boney February 25, 2008 at 8:27 am

Big Ben is not the centerpiece of anything anymore… Have fun trapping Chauncey this postseason without Hughes… he eats up little guys like Delonte

31 Boney February 25, 2008 at 8:53 am

Akron/Canton Airport,

Tell the truth, we’re the only things you can find in Akron. There is no airport.

Regards,
Road kill on the Turnpike, Trailer parks, empty factories, lake effect snow, adult bookstores, truck stops, and fat toothless women.

32 The Cavalier February 25, 2008 at 9:04 am

Huh? There is an Akron/Canton airport.

33 Fios February 25, 2008 at 10:02 am

I know the Cav didn’t invent the photo caption thing but if you’re going to do it with the Cavs, aren’t you at least required to acknowledge YaySports somewhere?

http://deadspin.com/360281/cleveland-fans-rejoice-suns-fans-weep-for-today-anyway

34 Nedu February 26, 2008 at 3:07 pm

Ben Wallace is the same size as Lebron James. Wallace is 6-9 240, James is 6-8 240.

35 D-Mac May 12, 2008 at 7:43 pm

Ben and L J r tight togerher they r tis i mean LeBron is so stcken good and so is ben but not Igugalskis he is so bad

36 D-Mac May 12, 2008 at 7:43 pm

Ben and L J r tight togerher they r tis i mean LeBron is so stcken good and so is ben but not Igugalskis he is so bad.

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